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Reloading 10mm ammo / Re: 200 WFN in KKM barrel?
« on: Today at 08:08:01 AM »
Power Pistol will get you there easily... 8.0 grains will do about 1180 fps

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Reloading 10mm ammo / Re: 200 WFN in KKM barrel?
« on: Today at 07:07:33 AM »
Yes some of the WFN designs need shorter  COL especially the ones with the total flat designs, the ones with a slightly rounded edge can usually go longer.  However even at 1.2500" they should pass the Plunk Test.  It is their feeding angle that usually causes issues.  The WFN tends to hit the top of the chamber at an angle, adding extra drag as the case head tries to slide up the breech face during cycling.

When you are plunk testing and they don't fully chamber, you need to visually check to see if the casing edge has bullet material rolled over its edge.  The edge has to be free and clean if not it can hang up on the end of the chamber cut.   

Also be sure that the bullet didn't squeeze to a larger diameter due to crimping action.  If the bullet is too large it can hang up on the end of the chamber cut. 

I doubt that a properly seated bullet even at 1.2600" even with the WFN would hang up on the trueing cone or rifling.  If that were the case you would see markings on the bullet nose or ogive.

The other reason for failure to fully enter a tight chamber is reused reloaded brass that haven't been pass through sized.  The 10mm, 40S&W are straight wall casings, as such they can experience case swelling below where the normal sizing dies can't reach because of their radiused opening and the shell holder or shell plate occupying that space.  They will stick in the tighter chamber at the rear above the start of the extractor cut.

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General Discussion / Lyman Muzzle Loader Product Recall
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »
Lyman Muzzle Loader Product Recall was emailed me from MidSouth
Hello Midsouth Shooters Customer,

Lyman Products Corp. (“Lyman”) is voluntarily recalling black powder rifles and pistols due to the
potential of separation in the breech plug. Lyman maintains a safety-first approach, so despite finding
only a few firearms affected and no reported injuries, we are offering a recall program to have the issue
corrected. Lyman regrets the inconvenience but remains committed to the safety of our customers.
475 Smith Street
Middletown, CT 06457
office: 860-632-2020
www.lymanproducts.com

Products:
This recall includes black powder rifles and pistols regardless of caliber (including Deerstalker, Great Plains, Great Plains Hunter, Trade Rifle, Plains Pistol, Black Powder Kits, and replacement barrels; excluding Percussion Left Hand Great Plains and Left Hand Great Plains Hunter models) manufactured from March 1, 2017 to December 22, 2017. Barrels with the serial number in the range of A595960–A599026 are subject to this recall.

 

   



Safety Warning:
Lyman has determined that some black powder rifles and pistols could, under certain circumstances, develop separation in the breech plug, which may pose a potential safety hazard. Please do not load or use any rifles or pistols subject to this recall.
How to Identify Rifles and Pistols Subject to the Recall:
Find the serial number where the barrel meets the tang, opposite of the lock. The serial number has the letter “A” followed by a series of 6 numbers.

Action to be Taken:
If the serial number is within the range of A595960–A599026, immediately discontinue any use of this product. Please contact the Lyman Customer Service Department by emailing customerservice@lymanproducts.com or by calling 800-225-9626 Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 4:15 p.m. EST. You will be asked to provide your contact information, serial number, and either the part number or model to process the return.
Anyone outside the U.S.A. who is in possession of a black powder rifle or pistol within the recall range should contact your local distributor immediately.

Shipping:
Upon receipt of the information provided to customer service, Lyman will send instructions and packaging to ship the product to Lyman for replacement at no cost to the customer. Lyman will provide a replacement barrel and tang with instructions or will replace the barrel and tang at Lyman and return the firearm. Please only return your rifle, pistol, or barrel and tang with the provided shipping tags and boxes

Sincerely,

Midsouth Shooters Supply


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Reloading 10mm ammo / Re: Hornady 180gr HAP OAL
« on: February 20, 2018, 07:23:17 AM »
Yes they are good quality, same as XTP without the segmented skives on the nose.  COL between 1.2500" and 1.2600" should run well.

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Yes cast bullets and plated bullets can shave on the case mouths, the balance of case expansion, bullet diameter and pushing them down into the casing without the seater / crimp die causing the casing to start closing against the moving bullet all play a part.  Glad you found that issue on the non chambering cartridge...

Usually pressure will cause the cases to expand and fill the chamber to seal it, it is when they expand beyond the chamber size that they will show brass flow where the casing was sitting over the feed ramp at the 6 o'clock.  This measurement is different for different makes of barrels.

The Glock factory barrel chamber that max is usually 0.4340", my S&W 1006 is 0.4280", any thing larger is pushing the limits of the brass.
Primers are not real reliable but attention to them is still viable to examine...Primer pockets can also expand and loose seating primers are of concerns.
Brass can also be very different, Starline new brass is very malleable / soft, this is because it is a reloaders brass.  As you continue to resize after each use it will be come stiffer by work hardening.  This is why annealing is needed during the production and why rifle handloaders do it to soften the brass.

As you reload, the stiffer brass may not show the same results with respect to pressures acting on it.  Older NORMA & Winchester brass use to exhibit better strength with heavier loads.  The Norma may have been thicker in the web and Winchester was stiffer in my using it.

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If you are dropping rounds into the chamber and letting the slide run up into battery, please don't!  Here is why...
The extractor has to try an jump up and over the casing's extraction rim.  This can possibly damage the extractor either bending it out of adjustment as on 1911 and other types or can break or chip the extractor itself.  Some pistols can handle this better than others, but it should be avoided.  Just so you know!

The firearm is designed to feed from the magazine and the casing's rim slide up the breech face and under the extractor.

You mention you are working with new Starline brass, it is great brass.  Do you have a good caliper to measure your cases?  They can be had at harbor freight for as little as $9.99 on sale with coupons in their sale papers.

Have you measured the case around the diameter at the mouth?, where the base of the bullet sits inside?  This measurement over 0.4230" may indicate that the crimp is bulging the brass somewhat.  The forward area of the chamber can be tighter than the entrance.

While using the barrel as your gauge is OK, nothing compares to a true cartridge case gauge, as their dimensions are much tighter tolerances than any barrel chamber!

You can try backing off your crimp, (the brass headspaces on the case mouth edge) and try seating your bullet and test the fit as well.

While the bullet may look like its ogive is at or slightly below the edge casing's opening, as long as the casings tension on the bullet is the important factor.  Because the crimp is there to push the casing back against the bullet, for feeding purposes and not so much to secure it in place, although it does...

The edge of the casing mouth as pressed against the bullet should measure 0.4215" on the tight end and 0.4225" as almost straight with the very slightest taper crimp.

I hope you find this info useful...

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Clint, first the cartridges have to fit the magazine for the 1911 45 ACP ball ammo the 1.275" length was fine.
I think you are saying the Berry's 180 seated to 1.2500" is crimping on the smaller diameter of the ogive.
Seated longer they will likely change the tipping angle as they feed into the chamber even though they fit the magazine.
What is the shortest COL you can do and not have the crimp on the ogive.  1.2600"?  1.2620"?
You might need to play with that length till you find a happy place of load them or trade them for use in 40 S&W where the bullets can be sticking out further.

However when you have bullet with flat noses or Truncated Cone the length maybe shorter because of the wide area of the flat point.




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Reloading 10mm ammo / Re: metering Longshot: 1st impression
« on: February 17, 2018, 06:28:36 PM »
Longshot works best at the upper end.  I do use the RCBS uniflow but verify each on the beam scale.
I usually set the uniflow to through slightly short or exact then trickle up to exact...
Yes it is usually only a few kernels to finish...

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I originally bought the LEE FCD as a finishing crimp die.  After finding I could twist the bullet as they sat inside the finished round and started seeing some leading, it prompted met to pull and measure that they were squeezed smaller than 0.4015".  With cast bullets, they are best when the retain their full diameters.  That is why I discontinued the use of the FCD early on for that process.

That was my experience.  No issues since I went back to the RCBS taper crimp die to finish my cartridges.

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The biggest issue has to be disruptive family life.  Both parents working, single parent family and broken family relations takes its toll on the children.  Religion and religious teachings does help to instill respect for thy neighbor to a point if reinforced by family structure.
The parental role and supervision has to also guide by example with respect for oneself and other people and property!

News sources usually only show the bad things that take place.  Movies & Video games glorify illegal activity and weapons, brain washing the minds of younger people on a daily basis.  Social media isn't any better...example; Tide Pod challenges.  Then some turn their attention to trying to fit in with gangs, this actually may entail illegal activity as initiation or acceptance...

Now, take a young, disturbed, unsupervised, adult reaching out, not being accepted by anyone, turns to any form of acting out, anger, for what ever reason and then unleashes that energy, without any clear focus to consequences for anyone or anything to include themselves.
Then it doesn't take much to grab what ever is at hand to implement an action anytime, anywhere!  :(

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Reloading 10mm ammo / Re: What is THE hunting bullet for the 10mm?
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:29:57 AM »
Firstcoueswas80, if you are seeking load data, what powders do you have to work with?

I like the 200 grain XTP and 200 Grain Gold Dots at 1220- 1240 fps from the G-20 barrel and should be a little more from the 6" of the G-40.

The cast bullet will punch through most animals depending on how much dense bones are struck...

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sparkyv, by chance were you using the LEE Factory Crimp Die to finish your cartridges?  If yes it is possible that the FCD squeezed the bullets smaller as loaded inside the casings.  I have noted this using cast bullets, found the bullets would actually turn when twisted as finished.  Pulled and measured they were squeezed smaller...
Needless to say I do not used the FCD to finish any of my cartridges for 10mm or 40S&W.  However it makes a great pass through sizing die.

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It is why I never put much stock in the reports and warnings...I've run many canisters of Blue Dot in many calibers and gauges of shot shells over the years...when I started with 10mm there wasn't any printed data for 10mm, but that didn't stop me from working up my loads at the beginning of 1990, using 10.4 grains under my 200 grain XTP's and also under my 175 grain cast for target play out to 130 yards...

It doesn't get much below 18 degrees very often down here but it does get to 100 degrees at times... :o

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Factory 10mm ammo / Re: S&B 10mm JHP
« on: February 13, 2018, 11:29:33 AM »
Can not find any info on S&B JHP's, they don't even list 10mm on their webpage ???

Sellier & Bellot Ammunition 10mm Auto
180 Grain Full Metal Jacket
1164 Feet Per Second
543 Foot Pounds

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