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Olgo

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Mass shooting too close to home
« on: November 05, 2017, 09:16:51 PM »
Texas is a gun friendly state then a nut come along and screw it all up.

https://www.ksat.com/news/shooting-s...ooting-airlife

Sutherland Springs is 21 miles SW of San Antonio Courthouse. Probably less from where I live.

I'm against gun bans but I'll go along with banning assault rifles. I used to have an AR15 and I thought that it's a great self defense weapon because of high capacity and rapid fire. Then I thought it also can wreck havoc on people. I decided to get rid of it.

I'm keeping my 10mm pistol and my 12 gauge pump.
How powerful is 10mm? Well, see those craters on the moon?

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 10:08:20 PM »
If a ban kept bad people from getting "assault rifles" it could be worth considering. Sad truth is, bad people still get weapons illegally. The issue at hand is a people problem, not a gun problem. Consider how alternative means are used, such as trucks, knives, bombs, bats, clubs, machetes and so forth. I hope this doesn't turn into a bashing session. There's real issues out there and hopefully we can take the time to try and talk through them.

So Olgo, I want to be clear I understand. Your concern is the death of people? Is that solely limited to violent death? Death caused by others? That helps clearly define the scope of the issue, potential causes, and then solutions worth looking into.

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 05:19:05 AM »
Not all were baddies, some snapped. I agree that a ban ain't gonna work though. For a while I thought we don't need assault rifles but then on second thought, maybe we do.
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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 05:26:24 AM »
As I was taught in the police academy, decades ago, DESIRE + OPPORTUNITY = CRIME.

The item used to commit a crime is only a tool. The weapon is the person.

I will oppose any one who tries to take away any of my means to defend myself and my family.

The overwhelming majority of these kids of crimes are committed by leftists. More scrutiny of leftists buying guns would reduce these crimes. Bringing back mental institutions and confining the mentally deficient, instead of trusting them to take medication and allowing them to roam the streets, would reduce crime in general.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 05:35:16 AM by 10-7 leo »
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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 06:53:25 AM »
Adam Lanza perfectly illustrates why banning "assault" pattern guns won't work.  This man was determined enough he killed his own mother to get a gun.

What is killing a police officer to take his patrol rifle next to that?  Or going the Dillinger route and breaking into a nation guard base?

The machines exist.  How people use them is the fault of the people, not the machine.

And, remember these stats:

Murders, 2016

Rifle*:  374
Cutting Intruments:  1604
Blunt Objects: 472
Hands,feet,fists:  656

You are almost twice as likely to be beaten to death in the US as to be killed by a rifle.  And that asterisk?  That number is ANY rifle, not "assault" pattern rifles.  The vast majority of those rifle homicides are hunting rifles and 22's.

You wanna fix violence in America?  Address the causes, not the tools.

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 07:36:51 AM »
Have they said if he was on any medication?
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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 07:39:00 AM »
I guess the best solution is to have guards at peaceful gatherings such as churches and theaters but not at public gatherings such as festivals and marathons.

You'd have to fight guns with guns.

Blades, too soon to tell, it happened yesterday.
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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 11:39:06 AM »
Have they said if he was on any medication?

He was definitely on them in the past.

“His parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade, the time I knew him,” said the student, who only wished to be identified as Reid.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 02:47:42 PM »
I just read an AOL news blurb that this guy had a long history of violence, stalking ex-girlfriends and animal abuse.  :o

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 07:01:53 PM »
Dishonorable discharged from Military.
History of domestic abuse against wife & child (the reason for the discharge).  Served time...
Cruelty to animals...
Rejected for Carry Permit
A dozen other warning signals.

Passed multiple NICS background checks recently when purchasing firearms. 
EXACTLY the red flag whack-job the system is supposed to identify and protect against but low and behold bureaucracy fails AGAIN! 
San Bernadino, Newtown, Aurora, Las Vegas, Orlando, Washington Navy Yard, Tucson, Charleston, etc., etc. the system fails to identify and stop lunatics from carrying out horrific crimes. 


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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 08:21:16 PM »
There definitely seems to be readily detectible red flags around mental health in the majority of these crimes. It also seems that people around them pretty clearly see the issues, and even they've been reported. I'm with Rojo27 on this event. How did he not get flagged on NICS?

A sarcastic side note, one of the real killers in this country is heart disease!

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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 04:22:04 AM »
Proof that we don't need more laws but for someone to do their friggin job.
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Re: Mass shooting too close to home
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 06:12:50 AM »
Oglo

You're right laws can't protect us they only establish the consequences for a given action


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