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Title: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 11, 2016, 02:39:52 PM

Reviving the Auto Mag has been rumored for longer than the Bren Ten.  These guys look like they mean business this time.

Time will tell.

   http://www.thenewautomag.com/


Here is a video showing the Auto MagX. (Redesigned Auto Mag)

   http://www.amtguns.info/new-auotmagx-upper-video_topic1859.html

   
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Intercooler on February 11, 2016, 03:11:48 PM
I wonder what cailibers it would come in? Looks cool!
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 11, 2016, 04:07:05 PM
I wonder what cailibers it would come in? Looks cool!

I am sure that it will start with the 44 Auto Mag and 357 Auto Mag cartridges.  I also heard that they would be moving up to the 45 Auto Mag cartridge which would be a new one. 

After that who knows.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BrowningGuy88 on February 11, 2016, 04:22:16 PM
If they do, I will buy one each of the 357 and 44. I have always liked the pistols and calibers.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 11, 2016, 05:40:10 PM
If they do, I will buy one each of the 357 and 44. I have always liked the pistols and calibers.

I have AMP's chambered for the 44, 41, and 357 already and I agree they are good calibers although the 41 does not make much sense being so close to a 44.

The problem I see is the New AMP's will surely be north of $2K and probably closer to $3k or more.

The 45 AMP could be a very good caliber also.  A "suped-up" 45 Win Mag.

We'll see if this link works of a slow motion video of a 44 AMP being shot.  Watch as the barrel recoils back about 3/8" and rotates the bolt.  Watch the rear sight under recoil.

  http://automagparts.com/
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BrowningGuy88 on February 11, 2016, 06:31:08 PM
If they are north of 2k, I won't have one...

At that price I will take a custom 1911 in 10mm or 38 super.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 12, 2016, 06:16:02 AM
If they are north of 2k, I won't have one...

At that price I will take a custom 1911 in 10mm or 38 super.

And so will a lot of other shooters.

I hope I am wrong, but I really think that $3K will be the price on these, too complicated to build.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Intercooler on February 12, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
The .357 and .44's aren't the revolver rimmed versions correct?
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 13, 2016, 04:23:19 AM

The 44 Auto Mag Cartridge was originally made by cutting down 308 brass and reaming the neck.  the 357 Auto Mag is the 44 AMP necked to 357.

The 44 AMP is the same length as the 44 Remington mag and has approximately the same case capacity.  Starline now makes brass.

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd357automag.jpg


http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd44automag.jpg
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 13, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
I do hope they are successful. I would like to shoot one to "get the feel" of the big handgun. Were it within reason, I would put it on my "bucket list".
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: DM1906 on February 13, 2016, 11:25:52 PM
I do hope they are successful. I would like to shoot one to "get the feel" of the big handgun. Were it within reason, I would put it on my "bucket list".

Build or buy a .460 Rowland. More power at well less than a grand. And it's fun!
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 14, 2016, 04:33:14 AM

I will agree on the 460 Rowland as far as price and power.

But still, there is something very  cool about an Auto Mag.

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Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: The_Shadow on February 14, 2016, 06:55:05 AM
I could see myself into the Auto Mag chambered in 10mm Magnum and a 9x30 (10mm mag necked down like and using the 9x25Dillon dies)  Just because it would be a very cool piece.  8)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Pablo on February 14, 2016, 07:05:15 AM
I could see myself into the Auto Mag chambered in 10mm Magnum and a 9x30 (10mm mag necked down like and using the 9x25Dillon dies)  Just because it would be a very cool piece.  8)

RIVETED.  8)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 14, 2016, 09:36:42 AM
I could see myself into the Auto Mag chambered in 10mm Magnum and a 9x30 (10mm mag necked down like and using the 9x25Dillon dies)  Just because it would be a very cool piece.  8)

Besides being cool, the Auto Mag a a very good platform for magnum auto loaded cartridges and a great pistol to shoot.

I can't help that their is no "10" in it's name to make it even cooler.   :)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Ramjet on February 15, 2016, 07:31:58 PM
Beemer the guns you own are incredible you may be my new gun hero....... :D
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 15, 2016, 10:52:36 PM
How about a 10mm Magnum for the Auto Mag? If not, how about a  .45 Winchester Magnum in the pistol? Hmmmmmmmm...
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 16, 2016, 04:14:48 AM
How about a 10mm Magnum for the Auto Mag? If not, how about a  .45 Winchester Magnum in the pistol? Hmmmmmmmm...

There already is a 41 Auto Mag cartridge, better than the 10mm and has bullets suited to that velocity also.

The new Auto Mag is supposed to bring out a 45 Auto Mag Cartridge.  This will be the 45 Win Mag with a case length the same as the 44 AMP, about a .10" longer, to fit existing magazines.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 16, 2016, 08:07:28 PM
I guess the .41 Auto Mag is an excellent cartridge, but he 10mm Magnum brass is already being manufactured in quantity. All we need is another factory loading for the cartridge to make it popular once again. Hey, 200 grain JSP loads at 1600 fps would make any 10-12" barreled Auto Mag stand up and cheer!
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 17, 2016, 04:04:11 AM
I guess the .41 Auto Mag is an excellent cartridge, but he 10mm Magnum brass is already being manufactured in quantity. All we need is another factory loading for the cartridge to make it popular once again. Hey, 200 grain JSP loads at 1600 fps would make any 10-12" barreled Auto Mag stand up and cheer!

All one has to do is run this into a 41 AMP die and you have the brass. 

The barrels on the Auto Mag are interchangeable like the Wildey.  Lock the bolt back, flip a lever, and slide the barrel off and put another caliber on.  Look at my picture posted on page 1, that is a 44 AMP VR barrel on the frame and a 357 AMP barrel above it.

No one is going to load the 10mm Mag again.

https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/44-Auto-Mag-Brass/index.cfm
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 17, 2016, 06:12:55 PM
Would .45 Auto Mag be any better than .45 Winchester Magnum, if so, why? Is there a larger caliber "Auto Mag" cartridge in the offing, or is it just a recreation of the original?

Perspiring mnds want to know.  ;D
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 17, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Would .45 Auto Mag be any better than .45 Winchester Magnum, if so, why? Is there a larger caliber "Auto Mag" cartridge in the offing, or is it just a recreation of the original?

Perspiring mnds want to know.  ;D

The 45 AMP is about the same thing as the 45 Win Mag, the only difference is it is a .10" longer. Why they designed the 45 Win Mag case shorter than all the other magnum cases is a mystery to me. The Auto Mag will handle higher pressures that the other pistols designed for the 45 Win Mag though.  Kent Lomont was the Auto Mag Guru back in the 70's early 80's and shot 10's of thousands of rounds through them.  He was a close friend of Lee Jurras of Super Vel who tested many of Lomont's loads and they were routinely around 65,000 psi.  Lee said Kent was routinely blowing primers out of new brass.

They are talking about a 475 AMP which is probably has less case capacity than the 475 Wildey which is based on a 284 Winchester Case cut down.

Everything is up in the air right now so who knows.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: tommac919 on February 18, 2016, 07:55:17 AM
Send a question re 10mm in new models...answer below;

TJ,

We want to keep it simple in the beginning and only offer one version in one caliber and one barrel length. Then as we get that in place we would consider adding other variations such as barrel lengths and later still would be other calibers. I just don’t know how much demand would be for a 10mm but it would require a complete redesign and that would be a huge undertaking so I don’t think that would be likely.

With best regards,

Patrick C Henry III

Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 18, 2016, 09:28:06 AM
The Auto Mag has a rotating bolt similar to a M-16.  It is also recoil operated and not gas operated.  There is a small window of cartridges that work in it.  The 357 AMP and the 44 AMP worked well.  Some had success with the 45 Win Mag.

Kent Lomont did a lot of experimenting and to get the smaller ca(http://)libers to work required a lot of tinkering.  Here is a picture of the cartridges he worked with.

They are the 22, 25, 30, 357, 41, and 44 AMP's.  All are based on a cut down and reamed 308 Winchester case.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 18, 2016, 02:52:11 PM
I'd go for either the .41 or .44 AMP with a 12 inch barrel. (Power is nothing unless you can place it wher it will perform it's work).
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 18, 2016, 04:24:32 PM
Both good choices.  The 357 AMP is a great cartridge and more fun to shoot than the 44 AMP.  It was also Lee Jurras's favorite chambering in the Auto Mag.  With one standard 357 AMP pistol he took 119 head of game all over the world.  Lee says that is not counting the 100's if not 1000's of Jack Rabbits.

Here is an article on Jurras.


http://www.amtguns.net/articles/lee-jurras/american-handgunner-2007-may-article-on-lee-jurras/
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 18, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
I'd go for either the .41 or .44 AMP with a 12 inch barrel. (Power is nothing unless you can place it wher it will perfrom it's work).

How about this Auto Mag Captain.  A 16" in 44 AMP.  Click on the thumbnails.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Captain O on February 18, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
I like it, bit that configuration could be a bit unweildy.  :o DAYUM! (I'll bet you could drop a mule deer as if it were a bad habit with THAT pistol)!  ;D
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 19, 2016, 04:05:40 AM
Here is a picture of Kent Lomont himself holding that pistol.

Kent was the builder of that particular gun and several others.  The picture was taken in at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot.  Kent was a fixture at that event until his death  3 or 4 years ago.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 19, 2016, 04:38:26 AM
Here is the Wkipedia entry on Auto Mag and it is pretty much all correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoMag_(pistol)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Pablo on February 19, 2016, 05:47:59 AM
I could have bought one for a song........stop reminding me.  :'(
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 19, 2016, 07:49:49 AM
This is just copied and pasted from the AMT/AutoMag Forum.  This is from the new Company's People.

240 grain at 1750 fps, WOW!.

We expect the new design to be better is several ways but until we make some and put them though testing I will not be able to prove it. So far all of the parts we are machining from solid stock instead of casting, except the frame and we are doing experiments to see if we can replace the cast frame with a machined one. This makes the parts more consistent as well as stronger and longer lasting. Also both the barrel and barrel extension are being machine from one block of steel and this eliminates the need for welding and grinding. The three most important parts changes are 1. the accelerator system has been eliminated. 2.The bolt spring is replaced by a cam. This reduces a number of parts and makes the slide as easy to pull as a 1911. It also eliminates the possibility of firing out of battery. 3. The bolt was redesign based on the m-16 bolt. It now has 8 locking lugs rather than 6 and they have been reposition to improve feeding reliability. The new bolt has more than twice the surface area and is once again made from solid stock and not a casting. This is estimated to increase the maximum chamber pressure by 50%. [If this proves out you would be able shoot a 240 grain bullet at 1750 fps as a standard load.

This is the agonizing part of building a new gun. It could work first time as designed and we could go into production and stop the black hole of spending without income. I also could be struck by lighting twice at the same place. It is much more likely that something will come up that needs redesigning and this process will add another month before we can test the change and repeat. It could be ready in a month or it may not be ready in a year although my guess it will be between those two.

I really appreciate this community. There are so many people that love this gun and only want what is best for it. They have already helped me connect with many good people that have added so many ideas suggestions and improvements that I could have never done on my own no matter who I hired. "All of us are smarter than any of us".
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: TonyRumore on February 27, 2016, 05:52:07 AM
I had a 12" 30 LMP barrel years ago. (shown scoped in the pic)
We also designed a 375 Auto Mag that we ran in AR's, and it's short enough to be made to run in the pistol as well, using 200gr flat point bullets.

The 375 Auto Mag works very well in an AR, subsonic, suppressed, with a 350 grain SMK.  That bullet is too long to run in a .375 Weaper case or the .375 SOCOM.

Tony

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/TonyRumore/Pistols/Automag.jpg) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/TonyRumore/media/Pistols/Automag.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 27, 2016, 06:41:26 AM
What kind of luck did you have with the 30 LMP? 

I was always told that it was Kent Lomont's favorite cartridge.  Jurras said it was temperamental at best.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: TonyRumore on February 27, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
The 30LMP didn't cycle well with 110gr bullets but did fine with 125's and 130's.  I spoke with Kent Lomont for about an hour back in 1999....most all of the conversation was over the 30LMP.  It was certainly his favorite.  We'll be doing in AR in 30 Auto Mag in about 3 months.

Tony Rumore
Tromix

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/TonyRumore/Rifles/30AutoMag_zpsjecstmm2.jpg) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/TonyRumore/media/Rifles/30AutoMag_zpsjecstmm2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 27, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
What kind of velocities did you get out of your 12" pistol barrel?

What barrel length on the AR will you use and what kind of velocities are you expecting?

Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: The_Shadow on February 27, 2016, 09:06:44 AM
Tony those are interesting to say the least!   8)  Thanks for sharing!  :D
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: gandog56 on February 29, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
Send a question re 10mm in new models...answer below;

TJ,

We want to keep it simple in the beginning and only offer one version in one caliber and one barrel length. Then as we get that in place we would consider adding other variations such as barrel lengths and later still would be other calibers. I just don’t know how much demand would be for a 10mm but it would require a complete redesign and that would be a huge undertaking so I don’t think that would be likely.

With best regards,

Patrick C Henry III

 :(
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on February 29, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
Wanting a 10mm AutoMag would be about like wanting a 10mm Desert Eagle.

There are certainly more appropriate platforms for the cartridge.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on April 26, 2016, 07:26:06 AM
Here is a link to the New Auto Mag blog.

They keep adding to it as there prototype progresses.  Near the bottom they have mounted a new upper on an old lower and are shooting it into the dirt to test it.

It appears to be working but the gun is either short stroking or they are getting magazine follower bounce which was a problem with Auto Mags.  They are using one of the old magazines to test it.

They are planning to use high speed photography to analyze the problem.

It looks encouraging.


http://www.thenewautomag.com/insidebaseball/
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on September 18, 2017, 10:56:53 AM
Well, I never thought this would come about but the New Auto Mag Company is in production as I am typing this.

The initial offering is a "Limited Founder's Edition" with just 50 guns total.  They will be chambered in 44 Auto Mag with 8 1/2" VR barrels, have wood grips, and special serial numbers mimicking the pistol Dirty Harry used in the Sudden Impact movie.  The initial edition is sold out.

Here are some pictures from Larry Grossman who made the Clint-1 pistol for the movie.  He is overseeing the new production also.

http://www.amtguns.net/amt-information/galleries/photos-from-larry-grossman/
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Canoe on September 20, 2017, 04:44:32 AM
I've been looking forward to this one.  I hope they will offer a regular production model with the 8.5 in the not to distant future.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on September 21, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
A friend of mine that is consulting on the New Auto Mags sent me these 'work in progress' photos. 

(http://)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on September 21, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
Another shot.

The gun is the 8 1/2" version and the barrels on the mat are the 6 1/2" style.

Looking Good!


(http://)
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on October 17, 2017, 06:05:59 AM
It looks like the new Auto Mags are moving along nicely.  Here is a link to a progress report on their website:

  https://read.automag.com/october-2017-update-3bfecfafc74b

The new barrel and rib have a different profile from the original AMP's.  The new barrels and ribs are machined from one piece and threaded into the barrel extension.  In the old process the ribs were welded to the barrel and the barrels were welded into the barrel extensions.

Personally, I liked the old profile better but the new system should yield a much better product.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on October 17, 2017, 04:18:02 PM
This is awesome! I'll start saving for one in the far off future. I'll definitely be following and hope it works extremely well!
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: BEEMER! on January 11, 2018, 02:18:59 PM
Good news!

The new Auto Mags started shipping today.  I should have mine in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: New Auto Mag Corp
Post by: Pablo on January 11, 2018, 02:27:55 PM
Holy smokes! !! Wow.