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The_Shadow

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Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 02:42:07 PM »
This is why more and more competitions have the rule that a chambered round is to be considered a fired round and must be allowed to fall to the ground.  And why I always let the ejected live round go where it wants to go.

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 03:05:26 PM »
ouch...long term , and agree, let the round drop

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 04:54:01 PM »
That's a hard lesson.  :o
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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 05:23:20 PM »
Honestly....I reserve judgement on internet (or any) stories.  As stories develop the facts and figures tend to change.  And, even if there is an element of truth to it, changing the safe practices of a lifetime over questionable story does not seem sound. 

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2017, 07:13:52 AM »
What safe practice are we changing/dropping?

Here is the text of the "Unload and Show Clear" procedure from IPSC.org:

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  • Point the pistol down range with the strong hand and the trigger finger well outside of the trigger guard.
  • Remove the magazine.
  • Drop the magazine or put it somewhere other than a magazine pouch. Do not try to hold the magazine in the other hand.
  • Move the safety off.
  • Extend the arm, pointing the pistol always down range.
  • With the other hand, pinch the rear slide serrations with thumb and first finger.
  • Pull the slide back sharply to eject the chambered live round onto the ground.
  • Hold the slide open until Range Officer inspects the firearm by locking slide back.
This is done by turning slightly sideways and with the pistol always pointing down range, cup the weak hand on the slide, making sure never to pass the hand in front of the muzzle, then shift the right hand so that the thumb is under the slide-lock and exerting a slight upward pressure, rack the slide rearwards with a push/pull movement until the slide locks back into position.

The shooter then stands for inspection, facing down range with pistol pointing straight down range, the trigger finger always well outside the trigger guard, magazine out, slide locked back, and chamber exposed to view for Range Officer inspection.

http://www.ipsc.org/ipsc/handgun.php

The instructions specifically state to let the live round "eject...onto the ground"

I don't know what discipline this shooter was in, but "cup and catch" is specifically disallowed by IPSC.  And, sadly for this person, we see a reason why.

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2017, 07:44:15 AM »
What safe practice are we changing/dropping?

Here is the text of the "Unload and Show Clear" procedure from IPSC.org:

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Pistol
  • Point the pistol down range with the strong hand and the trigger finger well outside of the trigger guard.
  • Remove the magazine.
  • Drop the magazine or put it somewhere other than a magazine pouch. Do not try to hold the magazine in the other hand.
  • Move the safety off.
  • Extend the arm, pointing the pistol always down range.
  • With the other hand, pinch the rear slide serrations with thumb and first finger.
  • Pull the slide back sharply to eject the chambered live round onto the ground.
  • Hold the slide open until Range Officer inspects the firearm by locking slide back.
This is done by turning slightly sideways and with the pistol always pointing down range, cup the weak hand on the slide, making sure never to pass the hand in front of the muzzle, then shift the right hand so that the thumb is under the slide-lock and exerting a slight upward pressure, rack the slide rearwards with a push/pull movement until the slide locks back into position.

The shooter then stands for inspection, facing down range with pistol pointing straight down range, the trigger finger always well outside the trigger guard, magazine out, slide locked back, and chamber exposed to view for Range Officer inspection.

http://www.ipsc.org/ipsc/handgun.php

The instructions specifically state to let the live round "eject...onto the ground"

I don't know what discipline this shooter was in, but "cup and catch" is specifically disallowed by IPSC.  And, sadly for this person, we see a reason why.

Actually, none.  No argument with IPSC policy or rules.  Especially since I am not associated with them. IPSC has to deal with things far beyond my world.  I was speaking of how I would not be changing my own personal practices over an internet report.  Way too much "fake news" out there.

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2017, 02:45:59 PM »
Gotcha.  I completely agree with that.  Too much data in the world that can be analyzed and used to show proper trends and causality.  I try very hard to be aware of base rate fallacy.

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 02:49:29 AM »
yes.pick rd off ground/or  shoot till empty

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 02:57:16 PM »
The cool kids turn the gun sideways and jack the round up in the air, then catch it before it hits the dirt.

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Re: Standard “unload and show clear” costs shooter his hand
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2017, 01:20:59 AM »
Yep...Which means they are taking their focus off gun control during one of the most dangerous things done...Unloading. :P