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Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« on: August 02, 2017, 03:46:50 PM »
Glock and Buffalo Bore are pointing fingers at each other:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/hunter_suing_glock_inc_ammo_ma.html

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 04:26:35 PM »
There are things that concern me with both sides of this. 

First is the Buffalo Bore ammo, was it jacketed or cast bullets?  No mention of what the actual product was.  If it was lead cast/alloy and fired from the Glock factory barrel, Glock warns not to use lead bullets in their barrels.  Buffalo Bore is one of the companies that are pushing the envelope for some of the 10mm ammunition.

Secondly is full slide lockup into battery, as these captive recoil rods and springs bring the slide back to full lockup.  Seeing they fired the gun prior to the incident was the condition of the chamber clean enough to allow full lockup!  Did the previously fired ammo leave any bullet material rolled up on the end of chamber cut holding the slide slightly from full lockup.

No pictures showing what damage occurred to gain a better idea of the incident that followed leads to plenty speculations on how and why the incident occurred!

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MacDonald borrowed the Glock belonging to another member of the group, Rooke states.

"The Plaintiff fired two shots from the gun without incident. On the third shot, the gun exploded/blew apart while the Plaintiff was holding the gun and firing it," the lawsuit reads.  "The recoil and force from the exploding gun violently spun around the Plaintiff's body and knocked him to the ground. Shrapnel from the gun struck the Plaintiff's face and body," it adds.

MacDonald was seriously injured, the lawsuit states, although the complaint does not detail his injuries.

Then there is the "Borrowed Gun" by a person who may not have been familiar with this firearm...
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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 05:20:25 PM »
I think it is a bit of a strange story, with a lot of holes to fill. Hopefully we will get more information.

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 07:06:52 PM »
"Violently spun around the plaintiff's body and knocked him to the ground..."

Yeah, I don't think so. I can believe that the combo of a 10mm Glock and Buffalo Bore ammo can cause a problem, especially if the ammo and/or gun were defective or damaged, but the description of the amount of force reeks of bovine excretement. Add in the facts that the AG is rabidly anti-gun, the gun's owner is not named in the suit while everybody remotely connected to providing the ammo and firearm are and this screams "please give me money to make me go away."

The comments hold some interesting notes including that the plaintiff may have been in violation of the law "target shooting" when and where he was. Wonder if that will come out during discovery.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 06:37:45 PM by Yurei »

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 11:54:18 AM »

I doubt it is Glock's fault.

I wonder how many modifications were made to the Glock. It could have even had a different barrel. Next, the lawyers will make Glock engrave "do not shoot lead out of this gun" on the side of the slide. There simply wasn't enough warning placed on the gun.



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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 01:32:29 PM »
I'm no fan of Glock and never have been. I purchased a brand new G20 and G21 (10mm and .45 ACP) when they first hit the market. Neither gun would feed brand new hollow point ammunition after I took the guns home, cleaned then, and then went to the range to shoot them. I promptly took both back to the FFL dealer and got a refund. Almost 20 years later I tried a brand new Glock 17 9mm Generation 4 and it has some kind of issue (haven't yet determined if it is the Glock or the Federal 9mm factory ammo) where it chambers and the striker pin lightly hits the cartridge but not enough to ignite the primer. I've experienced this at the rate of 1 round out of a box of 50 every time we had our quarterly firearms qualifications.

I have three 10mm 1911 pistols and my carry ammo is from Underwood Ammo. I don't know if the Glock wasn't able to handle the Buffalo Bore 10mm (as it should since Buffalo Bore is no more higher pressured than any Underwood Ammo I use) or if the round was way over pressured (even for regular full powered 10mm from Buffalo Bore). But, this line from the article says it all:

"Rooke said a "dissection" of the weapon in question and the ammunition by a ballistics expert is pending."

We should wait and see whether it's the Glock or the Buffalo Bore Ammo that is at fault before we speculate further. It could be either as far as I can see. 

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 02:35:43 PM »
I'm no fan of Glock and never have been. I purchased a brand new G20 and G21 (10mm and .45 ACP) when they first hit the market. Neither gun would feed brand new hollow point ammunition after I took the guns home, cleaned then, and then went to the range to shoot them. I promptly took both back to the FFL dealer and got a refund. Almost 20 years later I tried a brand new Glock 17 9mm Generation 4 and it has some kind of issue (haven't yet determined if it is the Glock or the Federal 9mm factory ammo) where it chambers and the striker pin lightly hits the cartridge but not enough to ignite the primer. I've experienced this at the rate of 1 round out of a box of 50 every time we had our quarterly firearms qualifications.

I have three 10mm 1911 pistols and my carry ammo is from Underwood Ammo. I don't know if the Glock wasn't able to handle the Buffalo Bore 10mm (as it should since Buffalo Bore is no more higher pressured than any Underwood Ammo I use) or if the round was way over pressured (even for regular full powered 10mm from Buffalo Bore). But, this line from the article says it all:

"Rooke said a "dissection" of the weapon in question and the ammunition by a ballistics expert is pending."

We should wait and see whether it's the Glock or the Buffalo Bore Ammo that is at fault before we speculate further. It could be either as far as I can see.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you have had some particularly bad luck with your Glock pistols.

I know of 2600 state troopers who carry 9mm Glock 19's without issue.

And my two G20's are running great. The Gen 3 needed a heavier RSA for Buffalo Bore and Underwood. I also run a heavier RSA in the Gen 4 with Underwood. But that is about it.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Glad your 1911's are working out for you.

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 04:34:40 PM »
I use Uw 10mm 200 XTP in my G29. Uw was smart enough to back off some charging from 1300 fps like BB to 1250 fps.
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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 03:49:19 AM »
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"The recoil and force from the exploding gun violently spun around the Plaintiff's body and knocked him to the ground. Shrapnel from the gun struck the Plaintiff's face and body," it adds.

Other than  that, the article seems to have been written by a middle school student.

Dude wants a pay day.

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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2017, 06:59:04 AM »
I use Uw 10mm 200 XTP in my G29. Uw was smart enough to back off some charging from 1300 fps like BB to 1250 fps.

I'm with Olgo, my 29 has been Flawless with Underwood ammo. I use 200gr Noslers, but currently I'm carrying it as a 9x25 with 125gr Bonded Noslers at 1500 fps from my 3.8 inch barrel. Besides that, I've been into Glocks since around 2002 and all of mine have been , well, Perfection.
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Re: Glock Blows Up With Buffalo Bore Ammo
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 07:36:42 PM »
Crazy. Probably, the guy violently spun around as a reaction from being hit in the face with shrapnel vs the gun's recoil. Never used Buffalo bore and I don't fire lead through the stock glock bbl. My hot hand loads using XTP bullets over blue dot are plenty good for my use.