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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2014, 05:14:51 AM »
 Should be about every Barnes 10mm made there, including the 125gr and 140gr.

   When you do 9mm again can you run the Nosler and Montana Golds? Nobody has done Gel on those two to date.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2014, 06:53:03 PM »
.22 TCM


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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2014, 11:23:35 AM »
Cool. Thanks for posting that. I actually have a box of that stuff that my mom bought accidentally (she thought it was .22lr) but I don't have a .22 TCM barrel. I've asked on the local forums if anyone had a gun in .22 TCM to use for a test but never heard anything. I'm not certain that clear gel is entirely accurate at that velocity, but the results are pretty surprising. I really expected a lot less penetration.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2014, 04:57:45 PM »



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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2014, 09:24:38 AM »
Hey, just wondering of you'll ever test a .45ACP Gold Dot at some point?  Actually would be cool to test a normal loading and a +P loading to see the difference, and compare to how that stacks up against 10mm.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2014, 10:06:03 AM »
I try to focus on loads that are not already well documented. I've done a couple well known loads to verify that my results are consistent with professional results. Other than that, I don't see any real need to add to the mountains of tests done on common duty pistol loadings, etc. I started doing the tests in the first place because my wife bought me a Witness in 10mm and there was very little test data available.

ATK (the group that owns Speer and Federal) publishes gelatin test results for their factory loads in the service calibers featuring Gold Dot and HST projectiles. You can check multiple boxes to compare several loads. It could be argued that their results are biased because they are published by the manufacturer but they are generally consistent with other professional tests, my own tests, and other amateur tests. The results are clearly rounded to nice, even numbers but it's also important to remember that if you fire five rounds into gelatin, the results will often vary by an inch or so, anyway. Because they give averaged results for a statistically relevant sample size and include results through a variety of materials, their numbers are MUCH more useful than my own would be, anyway.

http://le.atk.com/wound_ballistics/load_comparison/load_comparison.aspx

If you still want to watch gel bounce around, there are lots of informal tests on YouTube using various materials:







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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2014, 12:18:01 PM »
Those Gold Dots are great performers in the 45ACP... :-[  But just like the 10mm they have a good expansion and penetration profile.  ;D

I have 400 of the 45 cal 230 grain Gold Dots that I'm waiting to load up, these will be for a +P loading.
I have been studying several options in the loading data, but may actually use the Power Pistol loading data I have;
Power Pistol 7.5 grains @ 950 fps CCI300 COAL is 1.2000" = 23,058 PSI @ 975 fps

One thing I'm waiting for, is New Starline 45ACP Brass rated for +P and headstamped as such, so when they make a run, hopefully I can get in on the purchase of some to do this project.
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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2014, 03:28:33 PM »
Several 45ACP 230gr Speer JHP (850-890 fps) tests in different media are available but I too would really like to see a 230gr Speer JHP +P (950-990 fps) test.

200gr 45ACP Gold Dot +P are also numerous but I've never found a published test of 230gr +P Gold Dot .

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2014, 10:00:48 PM »
Click the ATK link. The data is there.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2014, 01:04:06 PM »
.357 mag Remington 180 gr SJHP video link




.357 mag Remington 180 gr SJHP fired from S&W Model 13 4" revolver and from Rossi M92 16" carbine through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 597.8 fps, 3.2"

Revolver data

Impact velocity: 1,193 fps
Pentration: 17.8"
Retained weight: 181.7 gr
Max expansion: 0.557"
Min expansion: 0.534"

Carbine data

Impact velocity: 1,563 fps
Penetration: 18.1"
Retained weight: 151.3 gr
Max expansion: 0.600"
Min Expansion: 0.587"

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2014, 03:08:20 PM »
Very Nice thanks for the test results!  8)
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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2014, 05:35:43 PM »

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2014, 04:52:34 PM »
Nice. Thanks for posting that. I'm surprised it did as well as it did. He alludes to a test where he got poor performance from .38 spl 135 gr Gold Dot. I did too so I'm interested to see that test if he publishes it.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2014, 06:07:09 PM »
We have had a couple light for caliber shockers as well.

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Re: Gelatin test results
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 10:26:39 PM »