Author Topic: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs  (Read 4814 times)

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45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« on: May 02, 2015, 03:22:16 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 230gr FMJ (white box) (Provided by The Shadow 5/2/2015)
Ballistics Information: 45 ACP
Muzzle Velocity: 835 fps
Muzzle Energy: 356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6600”/Dia. 0.4510”: 230 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 229.8 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.4450”
C.O.A.L.: 1.2670” 
Primer: Large Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4715” Crimp Diameter 0.4690” Length 0.8980”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Win WSF  5.0 grains *
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Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 230gr FMJ (white box) 12/2015
Ballistics Information: 45 ACP
Muzzle Velocity: 835 fps
Muzzle Energy: 356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester  – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6600”/Dia. 0.4510”: 230 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 229.6 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.4450”
C.O.A.L.: 1.2670” 
Primer: Large Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4715” Crimp Diameter 0.4695” Length 0.8960”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Win WSF  4.8 grains *
* (fine irregular flatten ball)







« Last Edit: November 14, 2017, 03:16:59 PM by The_Shadow »
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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2015, 08:48:08 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST 230gr
Ballistics Information: 45acp
Muzzle Velocity: 890 fps
Muzzle Energy: 404 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal 45 AUTO Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.666”/Dia. 0.449”: 230GR HST JHP
HP depth 0.207” / HP cavity 0.222” / HP mouth 0.243”
Actual weight 229.6 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.449”
C.O.A.L.: 1.206”
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.468” Crimp Diameter 0.4685” Length 0.891”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? 7.0gr * Possibly Win Autocomp
(fine flatten ball)












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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2015, 09:21:04 PM »
Initially I thought this powder to be Silhouette in the HST but after looking at a sample from the current can I have, I don't believe it is.
The trouble with this is, is CFE Pistol and Autocomp are similar in appearance. However hodgdon lists a 6.8gr charge of CFE for 934fps and Autocomp at 6.6gr for 871fps. So for specs wise if it was any of those two powders, both would be +p loads and the CFE should have around ~950fps velocity....oh the irony!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2015, 07:02:24 AM »
To me it looks like AutoComp in your picture, and it does fit the profile and yield. 
Thanks for your pull-down information.
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Winchester Ranger T 230gr
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2015, 07:17:56 AM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester Ranger T 230gr
Ballistics Information: 45acp
Muzzle Velocity: 935 fps
Muzzle Energy: 446 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Win 45 AUTO Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.663”/Dia. 0.449”: 230gr Ranger T Series
HP depth 0.311” / HP cavity 0.150” / HP mouth 0.200”
Actual weight 229.4 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.449”
C.O.A.L.: 1.206”
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.468” Crimp Diameter 0.4685” Length 0.895”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? 7.8 Silhouette *
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Winchester Ranger T 45 Auto 230gr +P
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2015, 07:21:09 AM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester Ranger T 230gr +p
Ballistics Information: 45acp
Muzzle Velocity: 990 fps
Muzzle Energy: 501 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Win 45 Auto +p - Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.663”/Dia. 0.449”: 230gr Ranger T Series
HP depth 0.311” / HP cavity 0.150” / HP mouth 0.200”
Actual weight 229.7 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.449”
C.O.A.L.: 1.206”
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.468” Crimp Diameter 0.4685” Length 0.895”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? 7.0 BE-86 *






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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »
Interesting seeing how Silhouette is the same as Winchester Action Pistol (WAP) I have to wonder if they are still using WAP in the commercial ammo.

Seeing that flaked powder with the off color white flakes, that does look very much like BE-86.
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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2015, 10:33:20 AM »
I wouldn't doubt that they are, I'm surprised with how good wap/silhouette is that Winchester discontinued it in favor of autocomp. While autocomp is a very good forgiving powder, the range wap/silhouette is good for has an edge on autocomp.

As for the +p I have no doubt that it is BE-86. The load data published from alliant fits so well. As for the claimed velocity Idk. I took these rounds out of service due to age and setback they incurred. I bought these in mid 2010 so there's an indication as to how long that powder has been around.

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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2015, 10:34:30 AM »
I guess I could resize them, replace the powder and test couldn't I lol :-)

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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2015, 10:50:06 AM »
Yes resize without depriming, run the expander as normal, replace the powder and bullet...test to see.  ;D
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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2015, 08:46:46 AM »
Shadow, If I don't work this weekend I may talk to the wife about letting me go out do some testing :) last night I came home and pulled the depriming rod out of my sizing die and sized the cases.

On another note, when you have a wife who is into photography, don't take pictures of powder for pull downs, leave memory card in a computer and change the lens. She seen a buck in the back yard with 2 fawns? Went to get camera, the zoom lens not being on it, she changes it goes outside to take a picture.....no memory card inserted.

To say that I only got my a$$ chewed out is putting it lightly!!!!!!!!!!!  :o

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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2015, 12:14:43 PM »
Oh! Ooo! Not nice for wifey to be upset!  While I can place my CF cards in the multi card reader for my computer, I use the cable to upload.  However some of the new cameras like Intercooler just got can use WiFi to upload...interesting camera he got as well.  The Nikon 900 Coolpics with built in 2000 zoom, amazing camera. 8)
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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2015, 09:40:32 AM »
Nice! I think I'll do the cable method from now on! We have the Nikon D3300 24mp body and 18-55mm, 55-200mm and 55-300mm lenses. Plus a lens baby and a wide angle lens on the way :-)

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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2015, 09:47:24 PM »
On a side note I pulled 4 more of the ranger t +p's all had 7.0gr Be-86. I sized, flared and recharged them with a fresh load of 7gr be-86 that I have and tested them today.

The results were slower than the advertised velocity by Winchester.

927fps low
928fps
930fps
923fps
935fps high

I only had 3 more I reseated the bullets to correct length.

926fps
932fps
924fps

The velocity had a close spread and the factory cartridge versus the replaced cartridges.

The advertised was 990 but is shy ~60-66 fps in my test today.

Gun used was a Springfield Armory 1911 Range Officer 5" Barrel


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Re: 45 ACP Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2015, 03:05:47 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood 255gr +P Hard Cast (21BHN) (supplied by MT10mm)
Ballistics Information: 45 ACP +P
Muzzle Velocity: 925 fps
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft lb
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line – Brass +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6690”/Dia. 0.4520”: 255 gr. HCFN
Actual weight 245.0 grains (exposed lead base) Crimp line N/A
MEPLAT: 0.2850”
C.O.A.L.: 1.2040” 
Primer: Large Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4710” Crimp Diameter 0.4725” Length 0.8930”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: LOVEX D037-01 11.4 grains *
* (very fine irregular ball) (D037-01 same as AA#7 by weight)







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