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44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns
« on: January 31, 2013, 10:09:29 AM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 340gr LFN GCHard Cast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag +P+
Muzzle Velocity: 1478 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1649 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 9815"/Dia. 0.4315": Hard Cast 340gr.     
Actual weight 342.2 grains  Meplat 0.3380"
C.O.A.L.: 1.7565" & 1.7605"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4425" (heavy roll crimp) Length 1.2725"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 22.2 grains ?  Guess Lil'Gun ( I need more pictures of Lil'Gun powder)
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Buffalo Bore Info and Warning!
Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box
NEW HEAVY 44 MAGNUM +P+
This new load is designed ONLY for certain firearms. They are as follows; Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull, Colt Anaconda and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Suitable rifles include T/C Encore, "modified" Marlin 1894 (see next paragraph), Winchester 1894, any rifle with a falling block action and the Handi Rifle. We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. The answer is NO.

Hodgdon's 2012 Annual book shows 2 Loads using the 330 gr BTB LFN GC over 19.0grains of Lil'Gun @ 1332 fps from 8.275" barrel and the 355 grain BTB LFN GC over 17.5 grains of Lil'Gun @ 1247 fps from the 8.275" barrel.
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 12:58:44 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Prvi Partizan (PPU) 300gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1279 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1095 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: PPU - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 8585"/Dia. 0.4295": JSP 300gr.     
Actual weight 299.4 grains  Meplat 0.2735"  Double Cannelure
C.O.A.L.: 1. 6000" & 1.5980"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4545" Crimp Diameter 0.4465" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 16.4 grains ? May be Serbian made power, small flatten ball/flake but larger than H-110, 296 and simular to AA#7 burn rate and profile.  Looks like Silhouette powder.
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1094 fps / 1121 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4590" / 0.4590", primers rounded, cases look good.






AA#7 Profile - No.7 300 SIE JSP 14.6 grains @ 1,074 - 16.2 grains @ 1,221 40,000 1.735"
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 01:19:43 PM »
Lil Gun. That's a new one!

Didn't see a picture of the bullet weight but was it 340?

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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 02:41:20 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Parabellum Research (PBR)  200gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1528 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1036 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 6015"/Dia. 0.430": JHP 200gr.     
Actual weight 199.6 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.6230"
Primer: Nickel color (with strike mark)
Case: Diameter 0.4520" Crimp Diameter 0.4465" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 28.4 grains H-110 or 296
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1632 fps June 8th 2013
Case expanded to 0.4600", primers slightly flattened, case look good.





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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 02:45:49 PM »
I missed the picture of the Buffalo Bore LBT 340 gr on the scale, had company show up and forgot the picture. Sorry! :-[
Actual weight 342.2 grains  Meplat 0.3380"
Just goes to show how quick things can get overlooked if not having undivided attention... ::)
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 03:23:26 PM »
I got a sale on some of my .357 ammo today and... gulp... bought some DoubleTap .44's. First try and will send you a couple to tear down after I Chrony them.


1 x .44 Magnum 240gr Bonded Hunter

also 300gr Nosler
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 03:26:19 PM »
Cool! Let me know when you get a positive so I can add to the sheet.

All of PBR's .44's had some real pop!

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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 04:17:42 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Remington   180gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1610 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1036 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Remington Peters (RP) - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0. 5480"/Dia. 0.4295": Sierra JSP 180gr.     
Actual weight 180.0 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.6010" & 1.5975"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4540" Crimp Diameter 0.4425" (light) Length 1.2810"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 27.6 grains H-110 or 296
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1659 fps / 1657 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4585" / 0.4600", primers rounded, cases look good.





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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2013, 04:41:53 PM »
Any guess on the PBR HP bullet?

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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 05:35:25 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Hunting Shack Manufacturing (HSM)  240gr JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 833 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7045/Dia. 0.4290": Speer JHP 240gr.     
Actual weight 240.4 grains 
C.O.A.L.: 1.5790" & 1.5785"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4540" Crimp Diameter 0.4410" (medium) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 9.0 grains ? TiteGroup (Looks like LongShot but the charge weight will not deliver the velocity at that weight)
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 1171 fps / 1194 fps June 8th 2013
Cases expanded to 0.4595" / 0.4600", primers starting to flatten, cases look good.




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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 05:44:28 PM »
No wonder why HSM blows. Watered down  :-X

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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 06:05:06 PM »
The PBR bullet I don't know where they get them from, I've looked over mast makes but do see it in the common line ups.  They may produce their own bullets.

HMS if it is loaded with LongShot it would be under 1200 fps and if it is loaded with TiteGroup would be around 1200 @ 9.0 grains according to my data.

What are you seeing from the HSM loads?  ???
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 12:30:52 PM »
Thanks for all this good information. I have the BB 340gr +P+ ammo but have never pulled a round to see what's inside.

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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 01:10:42 PM »
harrygunner, it is my speculation that this load is Lil'Gun powder, based on the profile of the amount of powder, data with it and velocity claims.  However, I have never worked with this powder and only have two pictures to compare it with.
Buffalo does have a specific WARNING for that cartridge ONLY be shot in the listed guns, NOT to be shot in any others.
I can't shoot them form my revolver.  But thanks to Intercooler for sending these to rounds to me to show what is being used and dispell the myths... ???

I hope someone who has some Lil'Gun powder, could post a picture of this powder or e-mail the picture as a file to me.
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Re: 44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
Can they be put back to shootable shape? I have a monster that will handle them.