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40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« on: March 29, 2014, 06:53:17 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 180 gr Ranger T Series JHP
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 990 fps
Muzzle Energy: 392 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6285”/Dia. 0.4000”:180 gr. JHP Ranger T Series
HP depth 0.2220” / HP cavity 0.1930” tapered / HP mouth 0.2825”
Actual weight 180.0 grains (flat bronze capped base) Crimp line 0.3930”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1270”  (black sealant)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4215” Crimp Diameter 0.4175” (tight) Length 0.8425”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? non canister ?  6.4 grains *
(very fine flatten ball) ?

Accurate #5 is a close match for performance.







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 07:38:26 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Winchester 180 gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 990 fps
Muzzle Energy: 392 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester WIN – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5875”/Dia. 0.4000”:180 gr.
MEPLAT 0.2800”
Actual weight 180.6 grains (flat bronze capped base) Crimp line 0.3955”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1310”  (black sealant)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4215” Crimp Diameter 0.4200” (tight) Length 0.8425”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? WIN 231 ?  5.0 grains *
(flat silvery flake) ?

Winchester 231 shows exact match for performance.







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 01:56:37 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal 180 gr FMJ (OLD)
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: ?? fps
Muzzle Energy: ?? ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5930”/Dia. 0.4000”:180 gr. FMJ
MEPLAT 0.2560”
Actual weight 180.2 grains (flat exposed lead base) Crimp line 0.3995”
C.O.A.L.: 1.0670” (this round was a setback as evident by markings on the projectile)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4230” Crimp Diameter 0.4220” (light) Length 0.8460”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? WIN WSF ?  5.6 grains *
(flat dark silvery flake) ?

Hodgdon has Winchester WSF showing close match for performance of 980 – 990 fps.







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 03:19:02 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Premium Tactical 180 gr HST
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1010 fps
Muzzle Energy: 408 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5930”/Dia. 0.4000”: FED 180 gr. HST
HP Depth 0.2120” / HP Dia. 0.2125” tapered / Mouth 0.2835” (6 long skives)
Actual weight 179.0 grains (flat base) No Crimp line / Bullet has cannelure 0.3720”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1260”  (bullet seated past the cannelure groove)(black sealant)
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4205” Crimp Diameter 0.4215” (light) Length 0.8460”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Auto Comp 6.4 grains *
(flattened ball silvery) ?

Hodgdon has Winchester AutoComp showing close match for performance of 1050 fps.







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 07:45:17 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal Premium Tactical 155 gr HST
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1160 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5700”/Dia. 0.4000”: FED 155 gr. HST
HP Depth 0.2110” / HP Dia. 0.2150” tapered / Mouth 0.2625” (6 long skives)
Actual weight 155.4 grains (flat base) No Crimp line / Bullet has cannelure 0.3765”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1250”  (bullet seated past the cannelure groove)(black sealant)
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4200” Crimp Diameter 0.4215” (light) Length 0.8440”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? Silhouette ?  7.8 grains *
(fine flattened ball silvery) ?  (performance fits data for RamShot Silhouette)







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2014, 08:01:07 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 200 gr WNFP Hard Cast Gas Check (supplied by  MT10mm)
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 489 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Double Tap DT – Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6550”/0.6425” Dia. 0.3995”: 200 gr. WNFP GC
MEPLAT 0.3215”   *(the portion of the bullet ahead of the cannelure is 0.4015”)
Actual weight 199.2/197.0 grains (copper gas check flat base) cannelure line 0.3870”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1190” / 1.1195”
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4205” Crimp Diameter 0.4195” (light) Length 0.8480”/08475”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  LongShot  6.2 grains *
Both cartridges’ charges weight exactly 6.2 grains











The empty case supplied with the loaded rounds shows a very slight “SMILE”
Case expansion at the “SMILE” area 0.4360” with a smooth bulge all the way around @ 0.4350”

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2014, 08:59:46 PM »
Thanks for your help with this!

Ammo was fired from a 100% stock glock 23. This looks to be a good woods load for the 40s&w.

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 07:15:35 AM »
Right at the top of 40S&W MAX loads I would say.  Thanks Shadow!

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2015, 07:08:03 PM »
Thanks for the MT10mm and The_Shadow for providing this DT WFNGC data!

Finding this is good timing. I am going to work up a load for a G23 that my wife will carry in the mountains. In my initial research, I was figuring that I would work up to the low sixes of Long Shot. This confirms that I'm not too terribly off the mark. With that light smile, 6.0 might be about right. I'll do some workups and get groups on paper, and I'll post results in the "other cartridges" forum when I get to it.

I need to order some more Beartooths since I don't quite have enough for a thorough workup. So my report might be a while.

Curious, was any chrony data collected for this, by chance?

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 06:17:00 PM »
I really like this load for my G23.. I have shot about 200rds of this with 0 issues. Would like to see some actual velocity data but do not own a chronograph.

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »
Looks like a really solid option for those preferring to carry .40 S&W guns. I see nothing wrong with this at all for defense in the woods.

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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2015, 10:49:46 AM »
A while back Rocky Mountain Reloading had pulled 180gr Federal HST's for sale, I bought a 1000 of them.
Looking at Hodgdon's website for a 180gr XTP showed a max charge of 8.0gr of Longshot. So working up carefully
I arrived at 8.0gr. Out of my M&P 40 compact, these chronographed at 1175 fps...Now I have a Glock 22, that showed 1225fps of out the 4.49" barrel. Let's just say in the gel test it expanded to over an inch in diameter.
That is a hard hitting load, and I've been tempted to send some of these out for pressure testing just for shits and giggles. Now if it is within pressure limits which I am 99% certain it is, why would Federal offer
something with a little more oomph behind it.

I've actually tested this with the pulled Federal HST's and Speer 180gr Gold Dots. Let's just say the HST's are built much better to handle this extra velocity, the Gold Dots, on the other hand look like Tnoutdoors9 10mm 180gr GDHP Underwood test.
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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2015, 08:22:40 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 180 gr FMJ (2014)
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SPEER – Brass (14)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6085”/Dia. 0.4000”: 180 gr. FMJ
MEPLAT 0.2500”
Actual weight 181.0 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.4000”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1180” / 1.1180”  (range pick up)(black sealant)
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4220” Crimp Diameter 0.4220” (light) Length 0.8460”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  WIN AutoComp  5.8 grains







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2016, 08:43:18 AM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 180 gr Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 985 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SPEER – Nickel  (14)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6330”/Dia. 0.4000”: 180 gr. GD JHP HP
Depth 0.2575” / HP Dia. 0.2140” tapered / Mouth 0.3000” (6 inner folds) (deep HP)
Actual weight 180.0 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.3945”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1190”  (range pick up)(black sealant)
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4220” Crimp Diameter 0.4215” (light) Length 0.8460”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Ram Shot Silhouette  6.0 grains







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Re: 40S&W Factory/Commercial Ammo Pull-Downs
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2016, 09:14:01 AM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer Lawman 165 gr Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics Information: 40S&W
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps (data suggest 1050 fps)
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: SPEER – Nickel  (no date)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5725”/Dia. 0.4000”: 165 gr. GD JHP HP
HP Depth 0.1400” / HP Dia. 0.1960” tapered / Mouth 0.2900” (6 inner folds)
Actual weight 164.8 grains (concave base) Crimp line 0.3955”
C.O.A.L.: 1.1110”  (range pick up)(black sealant)
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4220” Crimp Diameter 0.4215” (light) Length 0.8470”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  Tight Group  5.0 grains







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