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Carry ammo and let's be real
« on: December 09, 2017, 07:38:25 PM »
You're facing a 300 lb man who is at least 15" thick through the chest aiming a gun at you so his arms will catch the rounds first.

In my situation, with a Glock 29,what would you carry? I was trusting the Underwood 200 XTP until I seen the Chopping Block video where they failed to expand at all. Justin at Underwood said the 200 Nosler is better from the 3.77 barrel. I'm still carrying my 175 Critical Duty. 1070-1080 fps from a G29. Which puts performance dead on with a Glock 22,which is down right impressive. Hornady using the Interlok design on the FTX is genius. There isn't a better barrier basher on the market (screw those snake oil xtreme defenders etc).

I want the 200 GD loaded to Norma's 1200 fps or I'm going back to the Underwood Delta Elite load.

Thoughts on this are always good.
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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 07:51:23 PM »
I'm just a Buffalo Bore 155 lover  :-*

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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 07:37:25 AM »
I'm just a Buffalo Bore 155 lover  :-*

+1 on the Buffalor Bore 155 Tac-Xp.....  It's the flavor tucked into the chamber & magazine of my G-20 right this moment. 

I'd be very comfortable with Underwood's 180gr XTP in your G-29
The Critical Duty 175gr is a fine choice as well as old Winchester 170gr Silver Tips IMHO. 
If you prefer the heavier projectiles, think Underwood 200gr Nosler suggestion was solid advice. 

Although you dismiss the extreme defender out of hand.  In a world where threats exemplified by Sutherland Springs exist (monkey see, monkey do mentality); I find myself contemplating and reflecting on a  projectile with a chance of reaching vitals of body armored assailant. 

« Last Edit: December 10, 2017, 09:48:06 AM by Rojo27 »

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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2017, 07:56:29 AM »
If you have the presence of mine aim above or below his arms, surely a double tap to the groin will provide some measure of discouragement.

With all the choices we have for self defense I think one would be hard pressed to find the ideal round in your scenario above, there are many variables to consider. Will the first rounds shatter bones in his arm? Will your initial rounds find the target due to your adrenaline dump? Will your rounds miss bone and pass through flesh and muscle only?

I have read many of your past threads regarding self defense with great interest since I just acquired a 29 gen 3 so it will be interesting to see the answers you get. I picked up 2 boxes of Legend 155 grain that appears to be loaded with Barnes Tac-XP bullets. If they expand I’m sure it will be a bone shattering round. I’m anxious to see the responses you get.

Wonder how close the Buffalo Bore is to the legend round since they use the same bullet?
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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2017, 08:11:10 AM »
Their is a good bit of velocity difference between the two. I don't know if the shorter barrel 29 would suffer expansion problems with Legend or not. That bullet seems to do it's thing regardless!

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2017, 08:17:38 AM »
Still carrying Win STips.... 175gr. in G20
Are they the fastest/most flbs, no but it's a warm+ round and allows 2nd and 3rd hits in quick time.

If I do decide to shoot, I can prob say it's not going to be just one...muscle memory will likely take over... was trained to make the bad guy STOP... and we practiced doubles taps and one head shot

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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2017, 04:32:32 PM »
What are everyone's thoughts on the Underwood gold dot loads ? The 165 grain appears to hold together better than the 180 grain.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2017, 05:27:20 PM »
The G29 handicaps any ammo you shoot in it.  I’d carry what I absolutely trusted to function, was most accurate and a heavy enough bullet to penetrate through a torso.  In that order of importance a 10mm is already a big bore, expansion is just fruit topping.   

I believe Tommac has the right idea, but Pat Rogers said it best “Shoot till the target changes shape or catches fire”.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 05:47:21 AM »
What are everyone's thoughts on the Underwood gold dot loads ? The 165 grain appears to hold together better than the 180 grain.

Underwood 165gr Gold Dot is a pretty popular choice if you train to handle recoil for accurate follow up shots.  Easy to find postings here and other places praising the virtues of this round.  It's gonna hit damn hard, expand to .70 to .90 and penetrate 12"to 14" in authentic FBI grade ballistics gel.  Not my first choice for the woods where deeepp penetration is most desired but against 2 legged predators; it's probably very good medicine IMO. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2017, 07:20:47 AM »
I like 135/150-5 in the 40's and 165/75/80 in the 10MM defensibly.

All the guys Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Cor-Bon & now Lehigh Defense  make appropriate ammo W/good bullets. Just gotta buy each and try it... Dont know any short cuts.
I do really like Cor-Bon 150g in the 40. Clocks over 1100 from my 4" G23. Maybe there is a 10 version?

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2017, 08:32:26 AM »
Don't know what I would carry in a Glock since I don't have one, But I do carry Win 175gr Silver tips in both my Colt Delta Elite and my Kimber. Like someone mentioned, there not the fastest or the most powerful 10mm load but for 2 legged threats they should work just fine.
And now that its winter time in WI I put my 9mm Shield away till Summer time,and carry a full size 1911, and if I am going to carry a full size 1911 it's going to be a 10mm.

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Re: Carry ammo and let's be real
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 11:12:22 AM »
In my G29, Gen 4 It's UW 165gr Gold Dot.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 06:08:53 PM »
I run 180 grain Gold Dots in both my G20 & G29.

At the velocities they run from underwood they are overdriven a little in the G20 and just right in the G29.

The Critical Duty is a great round but I’d be concerned at under 1200 fps about the expansion reliability.


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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 11:16:15 PM »
10mm, for social work... I'd be carrying 150 grain Nosler bullets if there is a factory load using them... If not, then whatever 150-155 grain load I could find.

I use a handload with the 150 Nosler at a little over 1,500 fps in my G40 on the nightstand.

Matching the sectional density and velocity of the old 125 grain 357 mag loads is the goal.

I do it by carrying a 357 Sig... Nothing against the 10mm, I love it in the field, but in town I prefer the lighter, smaller, higher capacity Glock 32.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2017, 05:19:52 PM »
I switch between the Hornady Custom 155gr xtp and Underwood 200gr xtp.

The Hornady 155gr is extremely accurate and run around 1250 fps from the G29 from what I gather. They make a big bang but have light felt recoil which makes follow-up shots easy. Personally, I think these will handle any two leg targets.

The Underwood 200gr xtp is also very accurate and IMO easy to control because there is less muzzle flip than the lighter grain loads. I was also concerned with expansion after seeing a few videos but while out last month I shot an old pumpkin (little soft) with the UW 200gr xtp and there was great expansion and energy dump. It was lifted off the table and pushed back about a foot before falling on the ground. Entrance hole was .400 but the exit was about 2+ inches. I typically carry these in my spare mags in case the 155's need help.

I think the only reason I don't carry the 200gr rounds exclusively is because they make the gun noticably more heavy on the belt. I find it more comfortable to carry loaded with 155gr.