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Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« on: November 24, 2017, 08:18:36 PM »
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Dot HP (provided by Intercooler Nov2017)
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 587 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Speer- Nickel
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6930”/Dia. 0.4000”: 200gr GDHP
Actual weigh 200.4 grains  Crimp Diameter 0.3940”
HP depth 0.2410” / HP 0.2030” tapered cavity / HP mouth 0.2850”
Concave base / black sealant**
C.O.A.L.: 1.2520” / 1.2520”
Primer: Nickel color (clear sealant)
Case: Diameter 0.4205” Crimp Diameter 0.4200” (heavy Crimp)Length 0.9940”
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Power Pistol ?  7.0 grains
7.6 grains*
  *Primer pellet turned to dust and mixed into the powder turning it yellow green color…had to beat the hell out of this one to remove the bullet.
**Sealant glued the bullets inside the case making it difficult to pull (over 50 strikes with the kinetic puller)

















Added the second powder charge picture, I cut the casing with a dremel so the bullet could be removed with out the primer pellet breaking up and discoloring the powder.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2017, 08:01:44 PM by The_Shadow »
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 02:16:20 AM »
Power Pistol or BE-86 possibly?

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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 09:19:55 AM »
I tried to clean the powder with dry paper towels rubbing it to remove the primer mixture.  Powders are somewhat porous so it still had a fair amount stuck to it.
Here is a picture of the pulled powder after I tried to clean it next to Power Pistol from 2008

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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 04:49:29 AM »
Yes, it would seem that Speer would use a flash suppressed propellant with any of their Gold Dot loads. 7.6gr of BE-86 would be a max load for a 190gr JHP per Alliant's online load data.

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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2017, 08:05:49 AM »
I was thinking the same thing that it would be BE-86 and it very well could be. :-\  With the discolorations of the powder from the priming pellet breaking loose it makes things difficult.  :-[
I'm going to try an pull the other one, but I will heat the casing up, to see if the sealant will soften to allow the bullet to pull easier.  The first one had plenty of sealant. >:D
I have never had to hit but a few cartridges that hard (usually ones with very light projectiles) or as many times as I did this one.  Hoping the second one will pull easy and show better. ::)

Just taking some time to think of what other tools I might have to pull it with.  It might be better to take a dremel tool and score the casing and cut a groove or two so the bullet can come out easy. 
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 08:37:05 AM »
I’m glad to see that I’m not the only person who had trouble getting one of these disassembled. 

On a positive side they should be environmentally stable for carry afield as EDC ammo and there is little chance of bullet setback with repeated chambering.

Now patiently waiting for Speer to offer the 200gr Gold Dot as a component. 
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2017, 09:16:02 AM »
You should be using a press mounted puller, much less work. RCBS and Hornady both make good ones.
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2017, 01:24:14 PM »
I'd be willing to bet that a press mounted collet puller would have a difficult time and might damage the bullets beyond reuse. 
I have pulled many thousands of cartridges down and have only had maybe 4 or 5 that had issue.
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 04:34:50 PM »
awhile ago I bought some .40 Gold Dot pulled bullets from American Reloading. those bullets had some of the black sealant you are talking about. I wonder what they use to pull massive quantities of bullets without damaging them?

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Re: Speer 200gr Speer G0ld Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2017, 05:17:28 PM »
They use a collet type puller but you will see a crimped line in the jacket where the collet grabs the bullet on each side and most of the way around.
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2017, 08:05:30 PM »
OK, I added the second powder charge picture.
I cut the casing with a dremel so the bullet could be removed with out the primer pellet breaking up and discoloring the powder.
To me it looks like Power Pistol the charge was 7.0 grains even.



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Re: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2017, 03:08:43 PM »
I thought it was 7.6? Was that due to primer material being in the first one?

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Re: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 03:27:40 PM »
More than likely the primer mixture accounts for 3 grains give or take...
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Re: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 05:01:03 PM »
Took some comparison pictures today of the two different Speer Gold Dot bullets
Here is the close up of the two 200 grain Gold Dots, notice the amount of black sealant on the back right, it was glued inside the casing tight...
Bullet on the left is #53883 Bullet on the right is #54000





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Re: Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 06:25:26 PM »
Thanks!

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