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NOI

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The 10mm market hole
« on: January 24, 2018, 05:38:46 PM »
I found another thread from last year on this topic, but after getting the red necropost warning, I decide to start a new one. Not sure it’s needed on a site with this little traffic, but I’m new and didn’t want to break a best practice of etiquette.

With EAA and Glock having measurable success and new 10mm guns popping up on the regular, I’d really like to see some  of those new options being produced in the carry category. I understand the reduced sales figures from larger counterparts, but I haven’t met a single 10mm shooter that’s opposed to a more carry friendly version. The only ones that say it isn’t desirable....don’t carry anyway...or don’t live and work in environments where the concealed remaining concealed part is essential.

Why a carry version? I say why not? Heck, I’d be happy with a polymer single stack with a 4” barrel, like an XDs 4. They’re already making most of these sub compacts in .45 ACP, it’s not much design time to accommodate the 10mm.

Here are some pistols I’d like to see made in 10mm

XDs 4
Glock 36
Kahr CW/P 45 CM/PM 45
Tangfolio Poly 1911 Commander
Stoeger Cougar 45
Sig P239, or even a P220 that’s standard sized.
Any HK in a Compact or SK model...p2000, P30, USP, VP
Walther PPQ SC 45

I’d prefer the single stack versions, but the rest are concealable with a little more effort. Why not get full sized 40 performance out of a compact? Anyway, I feel the same way about carbine availability. But maybe that’s another thread.

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 06:44:29 PM »
I would love to see both the smaller carry guns, and a carbine, but no one seems too interested in making them.


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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 07:05:54 PM »
I have a Kriss Vector SDP in 10mm. Thinking I could stamp it and replace the barrel with a cut down carbine barrel later, since they sell pistols and carbines. That way I could enjoy the sub gun while I waited, and it shares mags with the G20.

The ballistic charts I’ve studied seem to indicate that 10” is the sweet spot for maximization of most commercial ammo, so losing 6” of barrel is a good thing for versatility without giving up performance.

Well, the barrels are factory press fit, and I can’t seem to source one without buying the rifle. So I haven’t stamped the pistol as a result. Having the extra support points still makes it versatile over a pistol, and it’s fun as hell to shoot, but c’mon. It’s a lot of money to be stuck at this point.

Holding out hope for the new Ruger PC takedown Carbine to go 10mm soon.

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 07:11:57 PM »
HK45C but 10mm - Totally on board.

Witness P-Compact but that actually works with full power ammo - On board.

Something like my 90% complete Para P12-10mm CCO sized gun.  Who knows how mine will run, but I have high hopes.

I am increasingly interesting in something compact but with a hammer.  I like my Glock 29, but prefer something I can control the firing mechanism on via tactile interface when holstering in an appendix carry.

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 07:25:12 PM »
HK45C but 10mm - Totally on board.

Witness P-Compact but that actually works with full power ammo - On board.

Something like my 90% complete Para P12-10mm CCO sized gun.  Who knows how mine will run, but I have high hopes.

I am increasingly interesting in something compact but with a hammer.  I like my Glock 29, but prefer something I can control the firing mechanism on via tactile interface when holstering in an appendix carry.

100% agree with the hammer, my preference as well. Appreciable confidence difference when reholstering appendix. I do it with striker fired guns all the time, but I feel a ton better with the spurs. HK would be my first choice, but likely the last ones to consider it. I’ve been leary about the smaller 1911’s from the things I’ve heard and read, and I haven’t fully accepted they can handle the stout stuff long term. Hence the polymer EAA suggestion.

Maybe hanging out here will change my mind.

I’d pay two grand for any factory HK 10mm handgun, any series. If they could make the USPC work, I’d buy several.
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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 06:07:36 AM »

I like the idea on paper but the execution of 10mm pressures/recoil in a small plastic package leave a lot to be desired.  In the 2 years that I owned a Glock 29 and let others shoot it at the range I never had anyone comment that it was a good/pleasant/accurate gun. Most shot a mag thru it and never touched it again.  Did have one co-worker that I loaned it to when he took a trip to Alaska to do some stream samples for a dam project.  We did a few shooting sessions to get him used to it and to practice clearing limp wristed jams.  Even with grip tape the 29 was a hard one to hold onto when running full power loads thru it. I sold it because I could barely handle it with two hands much less shooting single handed simulating an injury.

I see a small revolver being the ideal 10mm CC platform as you are not going to limp wrist it and there will be some weight to help offset the recoil due to the SS construction. Just keep the round count down to 5 to keep the cylinder small.  Problem is that option is already covered by a variety of revolvers chambered in various calibers, none of them 10mm.


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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 02:54:11 PM »

An HK UPS Expert in 10mm would be nice - although it doesn't matter in California because we can't have any new guns on the roster without microstamping.


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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 05:31:22 PM »

An HK UPS Expert in 10mm would be nice -


Would love to see one of those too.  Even and Mark 23 in 10mm would be neat, though prefer the 'cleanness' of the Expert.

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2018, 06:02:39 PM »
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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 07:51:32 PM »
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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 08:22:13 AM »
I'm sure some folks would buy 10mms for concealed carry if more were available but I wouldn't be one of them. I prefer the 9mm for its magazine capacity and easy to handle recoil. Where I do like the 10mm is for woods carry and medium sized game hunting. For that purpose, I have three 6 inch 10mms which are easy to carry and pack enough power with 200 grain loads to do what I need to have done in the woods.     

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 01:29:57 PM »
I'm sure some folks would buy 10mms for concealed carry if more were available but I wouldn't be one of them. I prefer the 9mm for its magazine capacity and easy to handle recoil. Where I do like the 10mm is for woods carry and medium sized game hunting. For that purpose, I have three 6 inch 10mms which are easy to carry and pack enough power with 200 grain loads to do what I need to have done in the woods.   

Really depends on how you dress, weather, holster etc. I've been carrying concealed full size 10mm handguns since my first S&W 1006. I prefer a shoulder rig, which was easy in Washington state because even in the summer I could wear a light coat. Now that I'm in Arizona I use a cloak tuck or aliengear IWB with jeans and t-shirt in the summer. In the winter I use my vertical shoulder holster and lightweight Wrangler field jacket. I will however, if it's really hot or if I'm wearing something like slacks and button down shirt, I'll carry something small like a Taurus TCP or Bersa Thunder .380. But very rarely.

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 08:42:40 PM »
Chiappa Rhino in 10mm would be perfect 3” barrel

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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2018, 09:37:26 PM »
I'd love to see the MP45c platform in 10mm. I have tried many times over the years to get "custom barrel makers" to make me a 10mm barrel for it, but no one ever seems to have the time. It seems like a perfect platform for it because the magazines only take a minor tweak to hold 10mm. The slide already chambers and extracts the round pretty darn good for being that I am doing the gun equivalent of a hotdog down a hallway. Both in the breech face as well as the chamber.

The barrel wall increasing roughly 25 thou should be plenty, not terribly far from some bull barrel dimensions.

If anyone knows someone who can do some machining work for me and make a 10mm MP45c barrel, I am all ears and more than willing to pay.
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Re: The 10mm market hole
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2018, 06:04:57 PM »
I have the XDs in 45. I think 10mm would be a bit much on that size gun.
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