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dredonn

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Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« on: January 13, 2018, 09:06:02 PM »
I'm considering hunting some hogs with a 10mm handgun, I've done a search and see a lot of people are using JHP, but are hunting deer. I'm just wondering what is the consensus between using hard cast vs JHP for hogs. I'm thinking hard cast with it's penetration is the way to go, but I'd like to hear what people with real experience have to say on the matter.

Rojo27

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 09:51:46 PM »
Almost 300lbs boar...

Underwood 200gr XTP JHP...  25 to 30 yards, 2" below the left ear.  Worked like a charm; drt and a satisfying end to a hellacious fracas.

dredonn

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 04:51:41 AM »
Almost 300lbs boar...

Underwood 200gr XTP JHP...  25 to 30 yards, 2" below the left ear.  Worked like a charm; drt and a satisfying end to a hellacious fracas.

Thanks for the info, I guess at that distance that round would smash through anythings skull.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 06:40:23 AM »
To me: Hog hunting for thrill, exhilaration and invasive pest reduction. 

Hunted them with rifle calibers ranging from 300 win mag to 5.56; pistol calibers from 44 mag to 10mm (used 45acp on one playing possum too) and one dogs & knife hunt. 

They're tough and challenging to put down (where you want that is). Both 10mm JHP (of proper composition, mass & energy) & Hardcast (different but similar standard) will get the job done if you put the round in the right spot. 

Good luck!  Hope you have a blast and hope you have opportunity to try different methods and tools.
Happy hunting!

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 06:44:56 AM »
I've shot quite a few hogs with the 200gr XTP at 1450fps and it's always worked fine.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 01:55:58 PM »
That Razor Dobbs fellow hunts hogs and all kinds of game with 155 Barnes rounds. A lot of people more versed than I suggest a deep penetrating JHP for most hunting where you have more controlled shots and deliberate placement. The expanded diameter affords proper shots a larger wound for a quicker kill. The heavy flat bullets, like hardcast, are better for defense from those same game when you will not have the luxury of precision and will not be shooting it at ideal angles (thing is running at you, on you) and it is in adrenaline mode, so your focus goes to penetration.

So avid hunters correct me if I’m wrong, but the theoretical difference is hunting vs. defending. I’m curious what experienced folks use effectively as well.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 01:59:51 PM »
I mean other than the obvious - Xtreme defenders and hunters and penetrators which not only instantly explode a hog, but all its piggy family members too with the one shot. And due to the fluid dynamics of the rounds that defy physics, it will also butcher and vacuum package all the meat for you before your slide even returns to battery.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 06:59:26 PM »
Of course hogs come in all sizes, shapes and temperaments.  Unless you make a  CNS hit you never quite know what the hog will do.  So that's the first big variable.  My only real suggestion is to look past "JHP" bullets and "hard cast" bullets.  Look at the specific bullets in the specific guns and specific velocities that guys get good results with.  Then practice and practice and practice until the odds of success are loaded heavily on your side.

dredonn

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 07:16:37 PM »
My main concern is that I come up on a 150lb hog that I can only get a good shot if I go through his shield,  I'm wondering if in that cause a JHP would expand so much that it uses most of its energy penitrating the shield and not have enough energy to do enough damage for a quick kill.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 05:56:55 AM »
WFN GC cast from Lyman #2 from my model 40 with a 7" KKM is impressive. Accuracy first then the penetration and tissue disruption from the wide flat nose that is .8 of the caliber is impressive and effective. Penetration on big hogs makes a huge difference. In many situations shot angle and place,ent is not always ideal so getting that tissue disruption to the vitals from any angle is paramount. Hardcast WFN gets my vote as long as it is accurate in your gun.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 07:42:38 AM »
I would choose a good traditional hard cast with a WFN like Ramjet mentions.

By "traditional hard cast" I mean something in the 14-16 bhn range air-cooled, not water quenched wheel weights that are 20+ bhn.  Those harder quenched bullets are too brittle IMHO.  Great for shooting steel targets or punching paper.  Less so for hunting as they may (repeat may) shatter rather than punch through with a little expansion.

If you cast your own, start with clip on wheel weight or similar alloy and add about 1% tin.  Should air cool to about 14 BHN and will be plenty malleable.

If you are going to purchase cast bullets this becomes a bit harder.  There are lots of factors to consider and they are not particularly well qualified. 

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 02:01:57 PM »
As with any hunting situation...bullet placement is the absolute key factor first and far most!  Bullet type or construction is the second most factor...  Non expanding bullets from 10mm 0.400" where as expanding types could make 0.700" dia.

As with any game animal what the bullet encounters as it hits it's mark becomes the key to incapacitation time frames.  Central Nervous System, circulatory disruption for fast blood loss, broken or busted bones can limit mobility but can make the bullet expand more or stop penetration.

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 11:28:04 PM »
So does anyone have any experience with trying to shoot through the shield with a JHP?

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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2018, 10:49:45 AM »
I like heavy for caliber hard cast slugs. (I also like the 200g XTP.  ;D )

 I also like the WFNG GC UNDERWOOD bullet. I load it in the 10MM and wouldn't hesitate to use it.



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Re: Hard Cast vs JHP for hogs
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2018, 01:41:48 PM »
Underwood and Buffalo Bore’s 10mm hardcast bullets are not gas checked. And they don’t seem to have a very large flat meplat compared to what some of the guys on here post pictures of in their reloads.