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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2016, 11:30:47 AM »
I love these discussions;

It does not matter really what you use as much as it matters how well you can shoot it under extreme pressure.

What I am saying test your skills under pressure on the range with your weapon of choice.

Bottom line is if you are 12" wide of the target even the 12 Ga will not be effective.

Another important consideration is the recognizing of a dangerous situation and having the tacticle advantage of NOT being surprized.
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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2016, 04:26:25 PM »
I have a box of underwood 220gr hardcast @ an advertised 1,200fps i would think that this load would penetrate like crazy. A lot of guys who shoot hard cast in rifle's (think 38-55 and such carttidges) say that upping the velocity past 1,200fps or so does not aid in penetration, sometimes the opposite. I think Buffalo Bore has a 230gr hard cast also. Most people carry these loads for defense against bears when bumming around in the woods, would love to see what kind of penetration they would have on the big ornery stuff. :-X

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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2016, 05:14:30 AM »
I have a box of underwood 220gr hardcast @ an advertised 1,200fps i would think that this load would penetrate like crazy. A lot of guys who shoot hard cast in rifle's (think 38-55 and such carttidges) say that upping the velocity past 1,200fps or so does not aid in penetration, sometimes the opposite. I think Buffalo Bore has a 230gr hard cast also. Most people carry these loads for defense against bears when bumming around in the woods, would love to see what kind of penetration they would have on the big ornery stuff. :-X

There have been a couple of published articles regarding penetration and velocity. If you are in the 1000-1300fps range, with properly constructed and heavy for caliber bullets, that will provide for the deepest penetration. That is one of the reasons that Garret makes the reduced velocity Defender load of 44mag Hammerhead cartridges.Those are his 300+ grain 44 Mags that are only loaded to 1050fps, vs 1350fps for the Hammerheads. Much easier to shoot, yet they still equal the penetration of the faster rounds. The faster bullets are just effective at longer range on Elk and Moose, but have been no better at stopping bear attacks with head shots in the real world.
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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2017, 12:17:19 PM »
I carry my Kimber 10mm often while salmon fishing for Bear protection or skinning a moose.

I carry 200gr Hardcast at 1250 FPS factory loads in it........made for thick skull or shoulder blade of a Bear.

The 10mm in a Auto is very convenient to carry but does not equal my SW 629 in 44 Mag. which is a better bear protection round.

I normally have a 12ga Shotgun with Brenneke Slugs close by on my daypack my preferred Bear protection weapon.

Zero and practice at 10 to 15 yards or where ever your cutoff comfort zone is with Bear.

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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2017, 02:02:06 PM »
I carry my Kimber 10mm often while salmon fishing for Bear protection or skinning a moose.

I carry 200gr Hardcast at 1250 FPS factory loads in it........made for thick skull or shoulder blade of a Bear.

The 10mm in a Auto is very convenient to carry but does not equal my SW 629 in 44 Mag. which is a better bear protection round.

I normally have a 12ga Shotgun with Brenneke Slugs close by on my daypack my preferred Bear protection weapon.

Zero and practice at 10 to 15 yards or where ever your cutoff comfort zone is with Bear.

Welcome and thank you for your input Alaska! What is the closest you have encountered a grizzly or a brown bear and what was its attitude?
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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2017, 06:36:18 PM »
Having head shot (almost a contact shot) inside a cook tent a black bear with a 444 Marlin, I can tell you that when you are that close, any FMJ or hardcast solid will work.
After that experience, it's at least a 44 Mag or a 12ga with slugs as a minimum for me in bear country. 308Win or bigger rifle is preferred.

Black bears when riled are different than Browns or Grizzlies, you will be a fight to the death. Almost like little man syndrome of the animal kingdom.
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Re: best ammo for bear protection?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2017, 07:02:41 PM »
SBR in 458 SOCOM 3-point sling loaded with 460 grain hard cast boolits. maybe one the new Mossberg Shockwave 12 GA with brenneke slugs.